Elisa Mariño
3 min readSep 5, 2022

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1. I'm aware of colonialism and the imposition of catholicism. Catholicism is really sexist. The priest and the pope can only be men. They preach that the men should rule over women. They oficiate children marriages (canonic law allows marriage as young as twelve years old) and have sanctioned child marriage.

Acording you, indigenous feminist that speak against that, have "western values" and can't be against that because they have suffered it, quite convenient that they aren't allowed to talk against sexism and still be considered as indigenous with indigenous values...

2. That is basically what you are saying when you refuse to accept that the indigenous feminist that reject those things have values that belong to their own culture. If they don't have values that belong to their own culture, wich values they have? You claim that it is because they have wester values, but no, they don't. They have their own version of feminism and their own values. Considering abuse against women wrong is not exclusive from the west.

3. No, I'm not making that claim. In fact I'm making just the opposite. I'm claiming that without colonialism, women would have also found feminist values, but that feminist values aren't exclusively western in the same way that consider murder wrong is not exclusively a western value. Consider women people of equal value is something so basic that it would naturally happen in many cultures. Claiming it as "western" is appropiation.

4. No. Mothers raise their daughter the way they see fit. But daughters are their own person. And many times, the same mothers that were forced into some things doesn't want them for their daughters. Many mothers who were forced into child marriages are the ones pushing for their daughters to go to school. That is not preventing that the indigenous culture is passed down, because indigenous culture is not about women's submision. There is a lot more to their culture than that. But you refuse to see or accept that because it pops the bubble were forced child marriage for girls remains acceptable and girls are ok with it. You know, some mothers love their daughters too, not just the sons.

It is not traditional cultures that are destroyed in the name of western feminism. It is indigenous cultures evolving out of sexism on their own. Because they value women too. You want to dismiss the indigenous women who fight against sexism while preserving their culture, their languages, the way food was prepared, the songs, the stories, the art. Hell, many times use those very things to try to fight agains the forced marriage and the violence towards women. "un violador en tu camino" is a song with the traditional rythms and sounds. They create crafts so the girls can make a living. They are the ones creating schools.

You said that the cross is not an indigenous sign and it is true. But so are the sexism of the woman submiting to the husband. That is catholicism. And even in spain, traditionaly catholic, women are saying no more. Deal with it, it is not western feminist, it is just women fed up with traditions that they don't like or enjoy.

You can easily google indigenous women talking about this. By the way, the idea that feminism there is because colonization and catholicism is completely absurd to anyone with even a notion about catholicism. Even now women are considered second class by the church and can't be ordained. They are even more retrograde than protestants and that is saying a lot.

Sexism is not traditional culture, destroying sexism is not destroying a culture. Otherwise, western culture would be on the brick of destruction. Although I guess that is what sexist people thing. That culture would be destroyed if feminist get their way. They've been saying that since the suffragetes asked for the vote. And here we are, a century after and still creating art, living and progressing. Feminism is natural progression in the same way that abolition of slavery is (I talk in present since slavery still exist). There are plenty of traditions that die and that doesn't mean their culture is destruyed, it just changes. For example: we no longer trow our feces through the window or eat with our hands. Well, not always. We no longer sacrifice lambs. We no longer make our ruling people wear purple. Men no longer wear heels or wigs. I could go on. So ending with sexism won't destroy any culture, just offer girls and women more opportunities and choices in those cultures.

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Elisa Mariño
Elisa Mariño

Written by Elisa Mariño

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