But didn't you claimed that those "children" weren't independant and that we just need to give them for adoption? well, you take them out and give them for adoption. If it is "pretty deadly" then, your claim about being independant and giving them for adoption is proven false. Repeating the same talking points doesn't make them truths. This is called reduction to absurd.

Oh, how understanding! you admit that pregnancy is not easy! I'm not phrasing it as an illness, I'm being descriptive about some of the things that happens in pregnacies. Organs athrophiate and move to make room for the phoetus. That is part of pregnancy and has health consequences. There is a high risk of things like diabetes. Women tend to lose teeth because feeding the phoetus make them lose calcium. And that are just some of the things that happen in a pregnancy.

People like you don't like to listem to them because it makes obvius the disdain that you have for women.

I don't disdain the "unborn", but I acknowledge that there are several phases in pregnacy. You first have embrios, them phoetuses and much latter, the phoetus might become viable. Until there is brain activity, there is not a "baby".

But pointing out the disdain that people who force pregnacies have for born babies or even unborn babies (they don't care to pay for free healthcare for the pregnant woman so the phoetus develops well and the woman suffer less, and no antural abortions happen) is not disdain, on the contrary.

The fact is that to actually value "unborn", you need to make sure that all pregnancies are wanted. And by denying body autonomy to women, you are doing the opposite.